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#1 Lineage2C1-Staff

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Posted 11 agosto 2015 - 02:56

Lineage 2 classic c3 will not be online again

 

I did reopening with the hope of relaunch server but old people stop playing and not many new people camed to the point that online ammount were 3 counting myself, also dont understand why it didnt worked so i cant solve a problem that i can't understand i did all steps needed to a sucess.  Also i cant reopen again

 

Thanks for playing here

 

and thanks to people who voted no to wipe just to log their characters and stay offline at giran .

 

definetly offline trade function were not well used i guess is how old players give thanks me for the detail of do not wipe , by loging their chars and let them offline mode


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Posted 11 agosto 2015 - 03:06

Well, Hate to see it go, but thanks for the time and effort, I definitely enjoyed the server.

 

Cya guys around

 

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Posted 11 agosto 2015 - 03:35

This chat explains a little better about my thoughts

 

[02/08/2015 1:21:39] madocter madocter: yes
[02/08/2015 1:22:00] madocter madocter: i dont have problem to reactivate your premium
[02/08/2015 1:27:31] madocter madocter: you here :)?
[02/08/2015 1:47:03] madocter madocter: there is online range between : 7 - 13
[02/08/2015 1:47:18] madocter madocter: the worst thing is that there is not a "increase rate"
[02/08/2015 1:47:21] madocter madocter: not "increment"
[02/08/2015 1:47:37] madocter madocter: or "decrement"
[02/08/2015 1:48:08] Scott Johnstad: Yep, I'm here
[02/08/2015 1:48:28] madocter madocter: so i've worked a lot for nothing even deteriorate situation
[02/08/2015 1:48:57] Scott Johnstad: Has this happened before on this server
[02/08/2015 1:49:01] madocter madocter: no
[02/08/2015 1:49:08] madocter madocter: what matter is not "ammount of players
[02/08/2015 1:49:16] madocter madocter: but yes math function that determine increment
[02/08/2015 1:49:20] madocter madocter: or decrement (if exist)
[02/08/2015 1:49:31] madocter madocter: spanish word is : parabola
[02/08/2015 1:49:53] madocter madocter: is like a seed that will not grow up
[02/08/2015 1:49:55] Scott Johnstad: Because I def have to say it's one of the best ones I've played, I'm very surprised at the population
[02/08/2015 1:50:02] madocter madocter: me too
[02/08/2015 1:50:08] madocter madocter: and thanks for tel lme that
[02/08/2015 1:50:15] madocter madocter: i've fixed all bugs
[02/08/2015 1:50:20] madocter madocter: and increased balance hook
[02/08/2015 1:50:36] madocter madocter: not even any c4 have implementations we're done
[02/08/2015 1:50:50] madocter madocter: plus rol event (8 hours of work)
[02/08/2015 1:51:05] Scott Johnstad: How long can you afford to keep it going at this rate
[02/08/2015 1:51:25] madocter madocter: i dont see sense of mantain x8 population project dont know if you agree
[02/08/2015 1:51:30] madocter madocter: for that population i can host on my house
[02/08/2015 1:51:35] madocter madocter: not on profesional datacenter ...
[02/08/2015 1:51:47] madocter madocter: i can mantain c3 until i dead
[02/08/2015 1:52:00] madocter madocter: but is not optimal use profesional hardware for 8 players
[02/08/2015 1:52:15] Scott Johnstad: I def understand
[02/08/2015 1:52:21] madocter madocter: why have x8 while is posible 2700% more
[02/08/2015 1:52:34] Scott Johnstad: True
[02/08/2015 1:52:58] *** madocter madocter envió unnamed.jpg ***
[02/08/2015 1:53:00] Scott Johnstad: I'm just hoping it catches back on
[02/08/2015 1:53:24] madocter madocter: http://i.imgur.com/bjEaUDS.png
[02/08/2015 1:53:33] madocter madocter: unnamed = statistics since "reopening
[02/08/2015 1:53:40] madocter madocter: imgur link stats when opening
[02/08/2015 1:54:13] Scott Johnstad: How long has this been open
[02/08/2015 1:54:23] madocter madocter: total time around 1 year
[02/08/2015 1:54:35] madocter madocter: reopen time = 7 days
[02/08/2015 1:55:00] madocter madocter: webpage first time visists per day = 300 -+ (is good number)
[02/08/2015 1:55:08] madocter madocter: wipe would works better
[02/08/2015 1:55:16] madocter madocter: sincerently i've wiped c1 like 4 times
[02/08/2015 1:55:22] madocter madocter: and players start to play again
[02/08/2015 1:55:35] madocter madocter: like they do when end game like : "diablo , dingeons and dragons" ...
[02/08/2015 1:55:48] Scott Johnstad: How long between wipes
[02/08/2015 1:55:54] madocter madocter: :)
[02/08/2015 1:55:58] madocter madocter: 1 month if i recall
[02/08/2015 1:56:02] madocter madocter: other times 3 months
[02/08/2015 1:56:07] Scott Johnstad: Loved Diablo
[02/08/2015 1:56:21] madocter madocter: me too but many monsters to kill discouraged me to advance game
[02/08/2015 1:56:23] madocter madocter: the game*
[02/08/2015 1:56:37] madocter madocter: so im angry because old players voted no to wipe
[02/08/2015 1:56:40] madocter madocter: and then ? where are them ?
[02/08/2015 1:56:57] madocter madocter: the worst part is that when opening all of them put their shit offline stores
[02/08/2015 1:57:05] madocter madocter: so new people saw their nice items :)
[02/08/2015 1:57:22] Scott Johnstad: Yep
[02/08/2015 1:58:14] Scott Johnstad: Was def surprise not to see most of them back
[02/08/2015 1:58:23] madocter madocter: to me too
[02/08/2015 1:59:08] madocter madocter: i guess game have not  interest to them  since they already had everything they still playing because of rutine
[02/08/2015 1:59:28] madocter madocter: 20 days offline enought to remove the little desire of stay they had
[02/08/2015 1:59:40] Scott Johnstad: Yep
[02/08/2015 2:00:08] madocter madocter: the funy thing is that if wipe would happend they may start playing again im sure
[02/08/2015 2:01:38] Scott Johnstad: Well, it's taken me a bit of time and money to get what I've finally got, but if you have to wipe the server, I'll understand, some thing def needs to change
[02/08/2015 2:01:58] madocter madocter: [domingo, 02 de agosto de 2015 2:01] Scott Johnstad:

<<<  some thing def needs to change
[02/08/2015 2:02:05] madocter madocter: exist any bug or request i didnt fix ?
[02/08/2015 2:02:46] madocter madocter: [domingo, 02 de agosto de 2015 2:01] Scott Johnstad:

<<< bit of time and money to get what I've finally gotposible give reward again to donators needs create a fair procedure
[02/08/2015 2:03:17] Scott Johnstad: I know I posted in forums about not wanting wipe, but you've done it a few times and it seemed to work
[02/08/2015 2:03:28] madocter madocter: [domingo, 02 de agosto de 2015 2:03] Scott Johnstad:

<<< you've done it a few times and it seemed to workyes
[02/08/2015 2:03:38] madocter madocter: but i wanted to try something different
[02/08/2015 2:03:51] madocter madocter: because i saw projects that didnt wiped for years ..
[02/08/2015 2:04:11] Scott Johnstad: Were they c3
[02/08/2015 2:04:21] madocter madocter: c4
[02/08/2015 2:04:38] madocter madocter: not very different only 1 chronicle jump
[02/08/2015 2:05:54] Scott Johnstad: Did c4 give us the added areas as well a 3 rd class and huger lvl and gear
[02/08/2015 2:06:17] Scott Johnstad: *higher
[02/08/2015 2:08:16] madocter madocter: for how long
[02/08/2015 2:09:14] Scott Johnstad: I'm trying to remember, wasn't max lvl 80 in c4
[02/08/2015 2:09:35] madocter madocter: 78
[02/08/2015 2:09:58] madocter madocter: [domingo, 02 de agosto de 2015 2:08] madocter madocter:

<<< for how long
[02/08/2015 2:10:35] Scott Johnstad: Not sure what you mean by how long
[02/08/2015 2:10:42] madocter madocter: [domingo, 02 de agosto de 2015 2:05] Scott Johnstad:

<<< Did c4 give us the added areas as well a 3 rd class and huger lvl and gear
[02/08/2015 2:10:46] madocter madocter: for how long ?
[02/08/2015 2:11:06] madocter madocter: until you end new areas and new Gear
[02/08/2015 2:11:13] madocter madocter: you , i mean them
[02/08/2015 2:12:25] Scott Johnstad: Oooo how long until they complete those too, not sure, but def won't take much longer just give a few new areas
[02/08/2015 2:15:34] madocter madocter: then , there is no reason for such upadte
[02/08/2015 2:16:56] Scott Johnstad: Na, was just wondering what the longest c3 server has been running
[02/08/2015 2:17:13] madocter madocter: 2005 year
[02/08/2015 2:17:41] madocter madocter: updated so fast that they could because in the past each new cronicle means more players and more interest
[02/08/2015 2:17:51] madocter madocter: and on this time
[02/08/2015 2:17:59] madocter madocter: year 2015
[02/08/2015 2:18:05] madocter madocter: do not exist other c3
[02/08/2015 2:18:21] madocter madocter: l2oldschool.org with 0 players use very bad server
[02/08/2015 2:18:25] madocter madocter: is x50 , a bug shit
[02/08/2015 2:18:31] madocter madocter: and iagaming l2j full custom c3
[02/08/2015 2:18:37] madocter madocter: 6 years onine with 20 - 25 players
[02/08/2015 2:18:41] madocter madocter: online*
[02/08/2015 2:18:51] madocter madocter: a server can be online 4 years
[02/08/2015 2:18:54] madocter madocter: or more who knnows..
[02/08/2015 2:19:15] Scott Johnstad: 6 years with only 20-25 ouch
[02/08/2015 2:19:33] madocter madocter: is project for hoby
[02/08/2015 2:19:35] madocter madocter: for joy
[02/08/2015 2:20:08] madocter madocter: if i wipe and reopen c3
[02/08/2015 2:20:10] madocter madocter: will be x1
[02/08/2015 2:20:38] madocter madocter: but dont know ...
[02/08/2015 2:21:13] madocter madocter: im tired , since the reopening im discouraged
[02/08/2015 2:21:19] madocter madocter: not desire to continue
[02/08/2015 2:22:27] Scott Johnstad: Yea, I was kinda wondering if that was what was happening, can't blame you though, you've put in a lot of work
[02/08/2015 2:23:04] madocter madocter: thanks for realice it
[02/08/2015 2:23:26] Scott Johnstad: Just need to let you know, there's still some of us around that appreciate it
[02/08/2015 2:23:36] madocter madocter: i have contact with other admins and they didnt ever create event , or log ingame , or fix stuff
[02/08/2015 2:23:42] madocter madocter: yes i know thats why i didnt closed it :)


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Posted 11 agosto 2015 - 03:52

Вы единственный сервер на С3. (
каковы ваши планы на будущее?

 


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Posted 11 agosto 2015 - 03:59

You are the only server on C3(.what are your future plans?


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Posted 11 agosto 2015 - 04:42

Thanks Guys For All The Fun...sorry to see you GO  

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Posted 11 agosto 2015 - 07:55

Well that kind of sticks. Was really enjoying playing C3 again. It was a good week and a half while it lasted I guess. 


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Posted 11 agosto 2015 - 08:31

TANK YOU MADOCTER :D GOOD TIMES... MELANCHOLY... MEMORIES ! ! TANK YOU I CONTINUE READING HERE :D

I WAS:
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:D TANK YOU , GOOD LIFE :D 


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Posted 12 agosto 2015 - 12:36

Thanks for all the good times everyone! I am sad to see the project has ended so soon as I had just started here at the reopening.

I would probably play again if you wiped and reopened :D as long as you promised to keep the server open for a minimum set time ie over 1 year. As I hate losing all my progress so soon.

 

Send me PM here on the forum which low rate server you are moving to and I will join you (no dual box, no shadow weapon servers only)


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Posted 12 agosto 2015 - 12:56

смешно

играло около 100 человек на C1

потом сами напросились на C3

в итоге никто теперь не играет на сервере

админ даун ты чем думал прежде чем такое делать


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Posted 12 agosto 2015 - 05:34

Hi.

 

I didn't had a chance to play longer here. It was great server. Lots of great ideas. Don't give up. Take a break.... relax... next time will be much more better. Just try to do few things. Never give a question to wipe it or not. Always Wipe no matter what. Wipe also forum. Forum tells lots of things about server, GM, players, playstyle. People write bad stuff about server, usualy coz they been beaten by players, or got lack of knowledge how to play this game, or got not enough strong will to continue.

Save this server database, and all your work you did on it. Open it in future. :)
 

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Posted 12 agosto 2015 - 09:25

IMO sooner or later this server was going to fail. I see following reasons for it:

1. Server wasn't original C3. Roughly speaking it is cut C4 (with C4 game mechanics and some skills). Implementation of 3rd class skills was also a bad idea because it makes server less unique and closer to other C4 servers that currently exist. So why should people play on C3/C4 with 100+ online if they can play the same chronicles with 1500+ online? :D  Also premium rates were too high for c3 server.

2. C1 servers were unique and had no competitors. That is why they could last for so long. I would like to admit first C1 server back in 2012 with x8 rates where everything was great before the moment when madocter started to fix skills and stats manually. As a result server died after 1 month... I know that some classes are too overpowered (archers in c1/c2, then necro/sps in c3/c4) but you should have better kept your servers close to retail. Next x2 server  with max 60 lvl was also pretty good, archers had bow mastery skill fix (the higher bow mastery lvl you have - less crit rate), so 60 lvl archer with full buff had around 200 crit rate. x4 failed pretty quickly because Madocter banhammered half of his server  :lol: .

3. One message personally to Madocter. Buddy, you interfere too much into life of your servers. I don't even mean PK spree of other players. You were constantly checking players inventories and asking questions like "Where did you get so much adena?"  :mlol: (you can delete part 3 from my post if you want  :P )

You can start read from here!

4. Finally, my best memories are connected with your first Prelude x2 server. 30 players or even less online, C grade impossible to get and really unique atmosphere like it was in 2003. Also players were much kinder. I still remember old buddies Nicolas, Deko and Gotico from Argentina. What kind of players from Argentina do you have now? THIS RETARD ZADHAKAR WHO NEVER TURNED OFF HIS CAPS BUTTON?? (just kidding, he was funny). But unfortunately there was no advertising for it. Now when you have big player database you can easily gather 100+ people on such project. Why don't we return to the roots now? Just give people a chance to compare old real classic with what they are playing now. L2Classic? WTF? It is not even close :)  


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Posted 12 agosto 2015 - 10:54

Repply to LedOFFski  post

 

1. Server wasn't original C3. Roughly speaking it is cut C4 (with C4 game mechanics and some skills).

 

Not exist original C3 server than ncsoft one (if they still keeping it) . for open c3 you can downgrade c4 or update c1 pack with c4 security is higher, modifications easier, more stable , secure and so on...

 

About mechanics of skills only 1 or 2 details fixed by ncsoft at server core itself that i cant change still working c4 like . (example focus skill effect on archer) the rest is c3 like i did investigation by research on 2005 ncsfot and other privated forums, askin players , comparing c3 scripts i've collected its an investigation work of 1 month :)

 

http://lineage2-clas...?showtopic=1957   //here you can see some result of such work

 

Implementation of 3rd class skills was also a bad idea because it makes server less unique and closer to other C4 servers that currently exist

 

The problem is that you didnt played the c3 so much and talk without know . take a look here: http://lineage2-clas...?showtopic=2002

you can see ammount of c4 skills implemented is so low and doesnt drop out server from c3 environnment just to help not popular proffesions.

 

2. C1 servers were unique and had no competitors. That is why they could last for so long. I would like to admit first C1 server back in 2012 with x8 rates where everything was great before the moment when madocter started to fix skills and stats manually.

 

When i opened c1 for first time i didnt realiced that the pack were c3 freeshard ... then i opened again but on datacenter ignoring the fact that skills were extended from level 58 to level 75 , so im asking you how b grade jewels should resit level 75 skill ? this is one of the real fact why c1 x8 could not stand up so much. without mention server crash each 6 - 12 hours, ig bots able to enter , and due of lack of c1 content players already end game in 2 or 3 months .

 

 

3. One message personally to Madocter. Buddy, you interfere too much into life of your servers. I don't even mean PK spree of other players. You were constantly checking players inventories and asking questions like "Where did you get so much adena?"

 

At c1 exist some bug for adena but i didnt had technology o technique for determine it source , in fact asking players i found it . without find bug source server could not be online ofc

 

x4 failed pretty quickly because Madocter banhammered half of his server

 

Discovered metod to find oog and ig bots by server packet analise procedure. also some bans for dualbos

 

 

You can start read from here!

4. Finally, my best memories are connected with your first Prelude x2 server. 30 players or even less online, C grade impossible to get and really unique atmosphere like it was in 2003. Also players were much kinder. I still remember old buddies Nicolas, Deko and Gotico from Argentina. What kind of players from Argentina do you have now? THIS RETARD ZADHAKAR WHO NEVER TURNED OFF HIS CAPS BUTTON?? (just kidding, he was funny). But unfortunately there was no advertising for it. Now when you have big player database you can easily gather 100+ people on such project. Why don't we return to the roots now? Just give people a chance to compare old real classic with what they are playing now. L2Classic? WTF? It is not even close

 

Yes i remember [0:23:22] madocter madocter: i had intention of open c0 , and c1 but after this fail desire is gone


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Posted 12 agosto 2015 - 11:17

I will not aprove doom post because it talks bad about my work and he is talking about a topic that is already closed

 

I played here since 2011

it was the best time of this server (imho) – with good online and without interference in balance of the game . Then the problems began with  the intervention of GM in the balance of classes (last 2 years),  lack of advertising, (a few wipe in total)But we have continued to play... Then lack of attention to the problems became impossible - "overflowing cup" - hence the 0 online few times.

 

is funny that you say that this is not advertised while i spent a total of 800 eurs on advertisement and registered on more than 90 forums for advertisement or investigation

http://lineage2-clas...?showtopic=1925

 

And time i spent fixing bugs and players request , or doing custom events is much more than an average admin/gm does . for users playing a game presence of gm is aditional not needed.

 

-proffesion improvement work

http://lineage2-clas...?showtopic=2002

 

-all server changes

http://lineage2-clas...?showtopic=1957

 

-rol event besides nasc skill needed a minimum of 8 hour of work

http://lineage2-clas...?showtopic=2191

 

ofc without mention base work that client and webpage have very good technology with webpage with features such : chat , players statistics , online database of game , irc integrated to talk to people in game , little webpage version ....

 

I would like to criticize Madocter for online-rating at the web–site (is many times more if compared to the real) = loss of confidence of players.

 

Information that i decide and how i decide to show players is totally out of l2 game :) webpage is designed by me and i choice how it works but besides account creation and download section is content out of game :)


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Posted 13 agosto 2015 - 01:31

I have to say that I'm saddened to see the servers go. I've been playing on and off on your different servers for years (even though I was not very active on the forums, or the servers at times)

 

Remembering all the vote threads and asking the player base what they wanted to do, while good intentioned was IMO ultimately what lead to the servers downfall. I loved that I could always come back here and play my characters when ever I wanted to, but then there were a few wipes, reopenings, changes in chronicles, etc. It lost that consistency and longevity that was the reason I played here. While those changes may have boosted populations for a moment and gone with what the forum votes were asking for; it defenitely made players like myself who played here casually with friends, feel like we could loose our time and effort any time the player count decreased. It lost that which made it truly special.

 

I really wish things had worked out better for these servers. I do truly appreciate all of the hard work you've put into this place, as I have many good memories here and moments that I could not have experienced anywhere else since those original times in retail. I hope that someone/somewhere will make a true prelude/C1 server with 5x rates again. Mob trains, dropped gear, and actually feeling like my time, effort, friendships, fights and deaths mattered.

 

Thank you for the years of fun, sorry to see you go.


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#16 Outlander

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Posted 14 agosto 2015 - 02:36

TBH guys days later I am still in shock that the C3 server is gone. Over the past two weeks I was having such a good time reliving the glory of a classic style lineage 2 server, where players used L2 as a platform to converse about what's on their mind and have fun playing the game the way it was intended; together.
I hope there is a chance the project is not gone forever. I am actually still unsure why it was abandoned; there was an appropriate number of new people joining per day given that this was an older chronicle with no dual box. Surely expectations were met in that criteria, there was strong advertising campaign but C3 is not what most people are looking for. Additionally, I think not wiping the server wasn't the best decision and this hampered attracting new people to a point, I was willing to see past it but not everyone would. I understand that people voted to keep the status quo but you could see the economy was obviously broken given the prices in giran and looking at the richest people statistics list on the website. A broken economy ensures a servers death in every case.
I have looked for days & come up empty handed trying to find another server which even came close to what we had here. I have to mention the helper buffer was setup 'just right' and the event that you could get buff scrolls was fun too. Please consider wiping and relaunching for us classic enthusiasts.
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Posted 14 agosto 2015 - 03:44

Outlander and the others who gived positive comments thanks . is good to know that my work  were apreciated even if some people tried drop me shit here .

 

True that economy is totally broken thats why i suggested "clean adena from inventory of all players and setup to 1kk maximum" and "down enchant to +4" on every weapon of server.  (such actions only could take me write a few lines on a sql query)

 

So even if exist hight level players new people could face them . but this proposal were not listened aswell

 

I purchased a pc with 16 GB ram - ssd disk - 8 core cpu my home have 100 mb of optical fiver i guess i can mantain server online there. meanwhile other action is taken


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Posted 14 agosto 2015 - 07:14

So are you saying that your going to re-open the server and host it on your personal PC, and if so when will this happen and I'M assuming the server will be wiped when doing so and how long could you actually host / maintain the server on on your own PC.


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Posted 15 agosto 2015 - 05:15

As you can see I am very keen to begin again, I really enjoy C3-C5 (basically servers that don't have B grade shadow weapons), the rates were fine as they were.

The only changes I would make are:

* Make the freight system work again

* Zone the market areas (see attached image for reference)

* Make sure shops are not killed somehow in town

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#20 luchovirus

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Posted 15 agosto 2015 - 05:48

what about C1 server?


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