
dagger nerf [Doubt]
Started by PurpleSwaN, Jan 30 2013 10:03 AM
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#1
Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:03 AM
I told you once,i tell you twice,change dagger mp consumption,i cant use any of my other skills,reuse nerf is allready enough,i dont say to change to normal,do it instead of +100% to +50%,i do 1vs1 and to kill 1 archer same lvl i stay with mp for 2 more skills,backstab costs 200mp,i have bunch of other skills that it seems was a mistake to even waste sp for em,you force me waste my time to lvl up a recharger,im a dagger i want to have the chance to succed in 1vs2,dont tell me is unbalance bla bla bla,i see 3-4 daggers in all server,gladiator(he sucks) is unbalance and you dont do anything to balance him,tank(shilien knight at least) sucks only way to take pvp is from archers<wich he never get to catch em even if freezing strike land(has crapy unbalanced range)sk vs dagger sk has no chance unless lightning strike lands wich is like i better try hit the lotery,back to daggers,daggers have powerfull blows bcuz official game has no npc buffer,dagger +full buff= simple hits,they make the same dmg only reason to use blows is with archers that run and dont give you the chance to hit em with simple hits so you need to "play" them in order to get your chance to kill them with blows,thnx,sorry for rage;Dgl
#2
Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:29 AM
QUOTE (PurpleSwaN @ Jan 30 2013, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
sorry for rage;Dgl
is allways the same

-you force me waste my time to lvl up a recharger
you have vampiric rage buffs and need recharger to farm with dagger wt.. ?
-dagger +full buff= simple hits
In fact no. Death whisper only increase a bit Mortal blows not much. Focus increase % of criticas yes, but here not Focus SA aswell
-i see 3-4 daggers in all server
I already saw they in fight how they do very nice powneds
STATS check "what" and "hijodeputa"
I think dagger is special class here only to surprise and fast attacks , remake enemys or fast kill lown hp classes
Dagger nothing to do vs DA , shilien knight also remember to use underwear skill to protect against dagger skills
I dont care if needed touch classes when people talk and argument well
someone argue why Gladiator is weak and how we can help to fix
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#3
Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:24 PM
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#4
Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:45 AM
call your archers to pk with What in my clan, he will show u the real dagger
#5
Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:23 PM
1st go learn read english,then come read what i say,2nd y he showed us how good he is at loging out....
#6
Posted 01 February 2013 - 08:59 AM
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#7
Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:20 PM
I cant give long repply because im gonna sleep. also im waiting see others daggers opinion wormvie is archer and he just posted "galimatias" In fact some class are much more weak than Daggers i need think in that before touch dagger again is not the main priority.
you say want massive pvp but you should have 900 Mp without bless the soul... only 3 skills really? 1 mortal blow hit 300 ??
Also think if i reduce Mp consume i may change Blown reuse even sucess rate. Because?
Actual dagger: Hight DMG skill and very-hight sucess rate, that you only can do a few of times.
Dagger TEST: Hight DMG skill hight-middle sucess rate, hight reuse delay. (example)
Im take care about all what you say the problem i think your information maybe wrong. giveme 90% correct info and try write more clean my eyes gonna thanks about.
Try use a Bow and Stun shot if your pvp run away even low level stun have a chance
I need think about this because if i touch dagger style will change so much and maybe you happy but the rest no. so players Talk
At the end i not sleep cause long repply
you say want massive pvp but you should have 900 Mp without bless the soul... only 3 skills really? 1 mortal blow hit 300 ??
Also think if i reduce Mp consume i may change Blown reuse even sucess rate. Because?
Actual dagger: Hight DMG skill and very-hight sucess rate, that you only can do a few of times.
Dagger TEST: Hight DMG skill hight-middle sucess rate, hight reuse delay. (example)
Im take care about all what you say the problem i think your information maybe wrong. giveme 90% correct info and try write more clean my eyes gonna thanks about.
Try use a Bow and Stun shot if your pvp run away even low level stun have a chance
I need think about this because if i touch dagger style will change so much and maybe you happy but the rest no. so players Talk
At the end i not sleep cause long repply

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#8
Posted 02 February 2013 - 12:17 AM
QUOTE (Lineage2C1-Staff @ Feb 2 2013, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I cant give long repply because im gonna sleep. also im waiting see others daggers opinion wormvie is archer and he just posted "galimatias" In fact some class are much more weak than Daggers i need think in that before touch dagger again is not the main priority.
you say want massive pvp but you should have 900 Mp without bless the soul... only 3 skills really? 1 mortal blow hit 300 ??
Also think if i reduce Mp consume i may change Blown reuse even sucess rate. Because?
Actual dagger: Hight DMG skill and very-hight sucess rate, that you only can do a few of times.
Dagger TEST: Hight DMG skill hight-middle sucess rate, hight reuse delay. (example)
Im take care about all what you say the problem i think your information maybe wrong. giveme 90% correct info and try write more clean my eyes gonna thanks about.
Try use a Bow and Stun shot if your pvp run away even low level stun have a chance
I need think about this because if i touch dagger style will change so much and maybe you happy but the rest no. so players Talk
At the end i not sleep cause long repply
you say want massive pvp but you should have 900 Mp without bless the soul... only 3 skills really? 1 mortal blow hit 300 ??
Also think if i reduce Mp consume i may change Blown reuse even sucess rate. Because?
Actual dagger: Hight DMG skill and very-hight sucess rate, that you only can do a few of times.
Dagger TEST: Hight DMG skill hight-middle sucess rate, hight reuse delay. (example)
Im take care about all what you say the problem i think your information maybe wrong. giveme 90% correct info and try write more clean my eyes gonna thanks about.
Try use a Bow and Stun shot if your pvp run away even low level stun have a chance
I need think about this because if i touch dagger style will change so much and maybe you happy but the rest no. so players Talk
At the end i not sleep cause long repply

A deadly blow at lvl 52 use around 120mp
A treasure hunter has 771mp at lvl 52 and with buff around 1071mp
In pvp we use accuracy skill for hits + ue = 120mp+
Then the first deadly blows comes 120mp each time thats around 7-8 deadly blows
A daggers blows don't always hit its around 70% chance or so I guess..
Problem is, now that we have used these skills, now we can't use dash to escape or run after a enemy..
Its kinda hard to use the advandtage of backstab cause dash + backstab simply eats all your mp away after 2-3 skills
And then we are left with hitting (are we a tank? nope we have light armors and don't stand much chance without skills).
The idea about mp cost is good, but I think its abit to high sir..
Your doing a good job and i'm not trying to point any fingers at all, just trying to give you a view of my playing view.
Perhaps lowering the mp cost abit wouldn't hurt to much just to 70% or 80%
#9
Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:25 AM
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#10
Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:32 AM
QUOTE (PurpleSwaN @ Feb 2 2013, 05:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
now happy gm;DD??even treasure hunter has problem with mp wich has like 1 skill(dash,cost 20?30?40?50mp?)....you dont get my points too,even if i have mp for 10blows ITS NOT ENOUGH...my opinion is change dagger to what should really be and we will see if theres gonna be any problem,you say use stun shot if my enemy run away.......so you tell me waste 70mp to have 1/10chance to stun,if my mp consumption was right and balanced i would use stun,as for now....my facts are right>pvp with archer>i chase, so he have his back at me>backstab x3=600mp lets say deadly blow x2=300mp >so far 900mp>unbuffed i got 1k mp,so i have to waste slot for bless the soul),for what? for 5blows??really now,and then what?i have to soe or hide to go rest,why?bcuz he come again,not to mention again whole bunch of skills i wont even use,like stun shot,now lets say 500dmg each blow<wich is less but lets say 500x5=2,5k,my dagger 60lvl+btb=3,6khp,so i wasted all my mp for 1 target and not even dead,really what else should i write here for you to understand mp consumption is not a solution,i say to you i dont have mp to use half my skills,mortal blow while in low chronicles like(c1-c2-c3) its usable as an extra fast dmg in this server<i removed it from my bar bcuz guess what,i have no mp,its a waste of mp,what about bleed<removed,afraid to use fake death,elem heal bahhh,you give orcs 48 str and 50con,now really what da23$*^&%$,so 75lvl orc(dont say noone play orc,even if 1play orc,its completely unbalance) with 50con lets say hp 5k?wich is more liek 7k+ ,wich is way more if me with 35con have 3,6 at 60 guess how much orc have at 75,so if 500to elf archer with zubeis lets say 400<wich is way less considering orc+bw/doom or whatver heavy set so 10blows=wich if 70% success and consider orc wont run so no backstab means>7deadlyblowx400=2800dmg plus that i need like 100seconds to cast 10deadly blows considering super nerfed cooldown too,so really plz someone tell me if what i say is crazy??ok maybe instead of 5blows i have mp for 7or 8or 10 but still............change dagger to what it should be,really i hate my character,is nothing like an elf dagger/cant use half my strategies,so really whats the point,plz people write if you find i write here is stupid or wrong or whatver,BUT write me WHY??,gm sorry but only answer i got from you is:daggers have big dmg so i """"""""""""""""BALANCE""""""""""" THEM so ppl to not cry,thats not a fact<bcuz you didnt balance the dmg,thats not balance..and not to mention(dance of fire+blows=0dmg)<this need fix,not to mention the way you balance archers(bow)wich again....whos gonna play phantom ranger?with 40crit rate,or active blade dancer+peril 40crit rate?50crit rate=1/10 so 40crit rate even less,silver ranger has 1/5 and phantom ranger has 1/10,thats balance?you say archer kill mage 1 crit then give mage some kind of resist to archer like how you did with cloak that gives dagger ressist(wich is custom,i play l2 since 2003,never heard or seen anything like it)change everything to what should really be,better have true unbalanced server than custom server,let ppl say ideas on how to balance things out,and last,you say you want balanced server and you put sa??really??and not only you put sa,you remove focus too,so noone will play destro/dark elf,etc,all will play elf or human that have(crit chance passive)and then wonder why i dont see dark elf fighters,really after this post i hope you get my points,after balancing things out,nothing is balanced so better start balance from 0 and let ppl in forum post their ideas{and balance should NOT be (1v1 balance<this will never happen)}last time i say this L2 is a MASS PVP STRATEGY GAME,l2 is more strategy than action game,thnx
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#11
Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:09 AM
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#12
Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:39 AM
hhahahahahahaha !!!!
#13
Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:55 PM
bump
#14
Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:35 AM
i need fix on mp consumption,is not a solution it affects whole gameplay,why play a class that sucks and is boring bcuz i cant use my skills,its unbalanced against treasure hunter wich has 700+more hp and at least +50%dmg,why not play treasure hunter?i want mp to use elemental heal,i dont want to run out of mp in 1v1 pvp,this is lame,this is not balance,plz understand that dagger is not verry good bcuz his skills have low mp consumption he is verry good bcuz he has big dmg/low reuse on skills,and fast attacks,so i dont see why mp consumption affects or fixes any of that,fix that before siege,really if i go siege and have no mp in first 5mins....
#15
Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:20 PM
k dear gm,sorry for my enraged posts,hope you get my points though!!!
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